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October 2011
Fun Fun Fun Fest picks
Next weekend is Fun Fun Fun Fest, and this year’s show is stacked with comedy.
In addition to some big-name national headliners, the organizers have also put together an impressive list of local comics that includes vets and up-and-comers.
Here’s a quick list of people you should check out:
Reggie Watts: If you haven’t seen Watts yet, now’s your time to pay penance. He made a splash last year opening for Conan O’Brien’s roadshow and he’s been in comedy orbit ever since. It’s hard to describe his style, but I’m gonna go with “improvised” and “magical.” He’s like a big unicorn. Just go.
Donald Glover: And not just because Community is a funny show. Glover’s had a meteoric rise, getting a writing gig with “30 Rock” almost immediately. But he’s got standup chops, too.
The Kenny “K-Strass” Strasser Yo Yo Exstravaganza: Strasser made a name for himself with his videos goofing on local newscasts. They became hits on YouTube (because everyone likes to see morning news anchors be mocked). I have no idea what Strasser will do here, but I’m trusting that it will be good.
Doug Mellard: An Austin comedy pillar who now lives in LA. Mellard’s high energy is perfect for these kinds of shows. He will destroy and you will be there to witness.
Matt Bearden: The godfather of the modern Austin comedy scene, Bearden brings the goods every single time he’s on stage. Whether he’s telling an LSD story from college or trying to rationalize that with being a new dad, Bearden is one of the greatest all-time Austin products.
Jake Flores: One of my current favorites. When Jake is on stage, all the other comics pay attention.
Maggie Maye: So awesome that Maggie is on this show. Maggie is the total package - she looks great, is a strong writer and a confident performer.
Master Pancake’s Video Jukebox: It’s Master Pancake. How can this NOT be good?
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More info on new comedy radio station
Austin’s new 24-hour comedy radio station, Comedy 102.7, is now a week old.
And I’ve already heard some good stuff: Bill Hicks, Norm MacDonald, Dave Chapelle and some local comics (and Austin alumni) like Andy Ritchie and David Huntsberger.
The station doesn’t have much of an online presence yet, just a one-page website and a Facebook page.
To get more of an idea about the station’s origins (and future plans), I chatted via email with Chase Rupe, vice president of programming and operations for owner Emmis Austin Radio.
Why a comedy station? What prompted you guys to switch to this format?
Comedy is an underserved market in Austin. Everyone knows that Austin is the Live Music Capital of the World, but there is also an incredible comedy scene here. We wanted to give the fans of comedy a place to enjoy it, and local comedians an outlet for their best material. Comedy 102.7 offers a unique option in the market, and we feel that it can attract a large audience.
This is a pretty unique format for Austin radio — will this be a permanent switch for 102.7?
That’s certainly the plan. We think this format has incredible potential to gain a large audience and will be a great addition to Emmis’ portfolio to serve the Austin community.
The new station has already caused waves among Austin comedians. How can comics submit jokes to be possibly aired?
We’re still constructing comedy1027.com, but once it is fully operational local comics will have the chance to submit their material online. Until then, they can email Chris Edge, the Comedy 102.7 program director (cedge@emmisaustin.com) their best 2-3 minute routine for consideration.
The format seems pretty set, with feeds from 24/7 Comedy Radio Network - will there be local DJs at some point?
Definitely. Our immediate goal was to get the station up and running and to establish a solid baseline of programming. There are already some local comics on the station, like Andy Ritchie and Shane Mauss. In the coming months, we hope to create unique local content and will look to more of our talented local comics to take the station to the next level.
Emmis already has some of the most unique programming in Austin related to the comedy scene, including the Dudley and Bob Show, which also features Matt Bearden on 93.7 KLBJ, and the Morning X with Jason and Deb on 101X. Both shows routinely feature comedians on their shows, and Dudley and Bob have been staples in the comedy scene in Austin for over 25 years.
We look at Comedy 102.7 as a living, breathing creation and we want it to be as unique as Austin. We believe local comics and local personalities can and will be a key part of the station’s future success.
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Sarah Silverman schedules anti-Perry show in Austin
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Looks like Sarah Silverman has Rick Perry (and Austin) in her sights.
The comedian has scheduled a Nov. 1 show at the Paramount Theatre, as a bit of a protest following reports about Gov. Rick Perry’s use of a hunting camp known to some by a racially insensitive name.
All proceeds will be donated to an unspecified “African-American nonprofit organization,” according to a release.
The show is called “LIVE FROM (racially insensitive name deleted), Stripping The Paint Off Of Good Ol’ Fashioned Racism.”
“This is a never forget moment,” Silverman said in a release. “The show’s provocative name holds a mirror up to an ugliness that seems to have become yesterday’s news without having barely even made news.”
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New comedy radio station in Austin
A 24-hour comedy radio station has launched on Austin’s FM dials.
Called Comedy 102.7, the station debuts today and will include “thousands” of standup routines from luminaries like Richard Pryor, George Carlin and Rodney Dangerfield, according to a release.
Newer comics such as Jim Gaffigan, Ron White and Chelsea Handler will also be featured, as well as Austin comics Shane Mauss and Andy Ritchie.
The station is owned by Emmis Austin Radio, which also owns 93.3 KGSR, 101X and 103.5 BOB-FM, among others.
The station will be an avenue for listeners to discover new comedians, as well as an outlet for the “growing” Austin comedy scene, Emmis Austin Radio vice president Scott Gillmore said.
“We’re excited to bring Comedy 102.7 to Austin - and you’ll want to set a button on your car radio to 102.7,” Emmis vice president of programming and operations Chase Rupe said in the release. “Everybody needs a comedy break during the day.”
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Brooke Van Poppelen stars in ‘Dial “I” for Industriousness’
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It’s not just that Brooke Van Poppelen is funny - because she is.
What fascinates me about the New York comic is her work ethic. In an age where seemingly everyone has their own website, YouTube channel and Tumblr blog, Van Poppelen supports herself doing the most challenging of work - writing and performing comedy.
She’s written for the truTV network, lemondrop.com and others. You might have also seen her on VH1 or “American Chooper” (which, weirdly, I did).
Van Poppelen is coming to town this weekend for a run of shows at the Velveeta Room with local boy Lucas Molandes.
I swapped emails with Van Poppelen and asked her what makes her so not lazy.
How did you get started in comedy?
Before my 24th birthday, I blindly moved to Chicago from Michigan after giving up on roughly six years worth of a Frankenstein-ed college curriculum that kept falling short of any sort of degree. I felt stuck and hopeless, so I just left and signed up for improv classes at IO (formerly Improv Olympic) to see what would happen if I at least tried. Standup had always existed somewhere in a dusty corner of my mind, shackled to the wall and kept in the dark.
After I felt brave from about six months of taking improv classes and performing on a team, I started nosing around. It just so happened that I lived really close to the place for the best weekly standup open mic called “The Lyon’s Den.” I started with so many good people, it’s sort of stupid: Kyle Kinane, Kumail Nanjiani, Pete Holmes, TJ Miller, Hannibal Buress, Joselyn Hughes, Nick Vatterott, Jared Logan, Andy Ross…so many! It’s been over eight years now and each year gets more exciting than the last for me and everyone I know.
Is this your first show in Austin?
I had my first-ever shows in Austin in May of 2010 at (Ladies Are Funny Festival). I got up at Salvage Vanguard and met all of the rad lady comics in Austin. I then did a set at ColdTowne Theater which was awesome. It’s also where I officially met Lucas, who was hosting, and snubbed him. The evidence is here:
(Editor’s note: Some bad language in this clip, FYI.)
Then for fun I went and witnessed the 3-ring circus that is FPIA at Cap City. I think it was a night of semi-finals because I remember that Anne and Joanne from Comedy Central were there. That’s when I really saw some Austin comics kicking ass. I came back for SXSW this past March and hopped on a lot of great shows like Matt Bearden’s Punch, Seth Cockfield’s room at Cherrywood and I also split a bill at The New Movement Theater with John F. O’Donnell. I love this city to pieces and this weekend will be my first time up at The Velveeta Room.
You support yourself through comedy, right? That’s very impressive. What advice would you give on how to make it in comedy, because the competition, especially in New York, seems like it’d be brutal.
I have been living off of writing full-time for about 18 months. For 14 of those months I wrote for the truTV Network. I wrote copy for their website but the main chunk was comedy writing for their blog “Dumb as a Blog” which I loved so much. It’s a long story why I am not there at the moment, but it didn’t end badly or anything and I’m trying to get back to contributing on a weekly basis.
Right now I work in social media and help develop blog content for very fancy people. It’s fun, but also anonymous so it’s lacking that “I did this!” element. I started blogging in 2007 to work out my feelings (ha), not knowing how important this skill would become. I had a body of online work to show people and it resulted in my work being published and then getting to write for AOL, truTV and now public figures.
This is the age of being computer savvy and having an online presence. Write, write write. Get a blog— even if it’s a tumblr just so you have your work living somewhere on the Internet. As far as comedy-comedy goes, in the past year I’ve written an (Saturday Night Live) packet, a sketch packet for (Jimmy) Fallon that continually evolves and I auditioned to be a monologue writer for them as well in February. Start working on this stuff casually. It’s a nightmare whipping it up from scratch, like I chose to do. I mean, it’s done now but you should always practice writing a few monologue jokes and jot down a new sketch when you think of it. I also knocked out two 30-minute pilots this summer but those both have about a thousand rewrites to go still.
When you’re supporting yourself doing something you love, how much of the “work” side of it eventually takes over? Meaning, is comedy 50 percent work now and 50 percent love-of-the-game? Because that seems like a big drawback, when something becomes your job, it seems like the day-to-day drudgery can suck the fun out of it. Like, for instance, I’d love to play video games professionally. But I’d have to give up certain things - like friends and everything else. And then maybe one day I’d wonder, “Is ‘Balloon Fight’ really worth this?”
I would not say standup is my full-time job. I love standup so much, but I knew that the minute I moved to NYC I would not be going the national club circuit route. I love working clubs but I am not attracted to the road in the least. I came here for all of the other opportunities that come your way because you are a comedian. I want to write for TV, book small roles in television, films and commercials, perform in festivals, make goofy web-series with my friends and get articles published in music mags and stuff. That being said, I would rather make a living as an anonymous writer during the day so that I can choose when, where and how I want to perform. Depending on money from a one-nighter is a drag.
How is the comedy business these days? I feel like I hear a steady stream of news that clubs are closing, which sounds suspiciously like the newspaper industry. As a comic, do you have to branch out and wear multiple hats to make it? Not literal hats, but maybe.
I think the comedy industry question can really be tied in with the above two answers. But yes. You have to have a lot of balls in the air at once. I say be good at anything anyone will hire you for that can go on a resume, so it doesn’t look to employers like you were in prison for 10 years. Everyone wants to make it, but I say hang onto any other career path you can until it becomes so obvious that you don’t have time for it anymore because comedy is going so well. It’s a total balancing act that has gotten me fired from plenty of chiropractic offices, cake shops and restaurants but my resume doesn’t have any gaps in it.
Let’s talk about music for a second? Steve Winwood or Hall and Oates? (This is a trick question, obviously.)
Hall and Oates but I mean, Stevie Winwood, Traffic era and all is the man!
I see that you’re a fan of Led Zeppelin. I always thought Led Zeppelin was the province of high school virgins who played Dungeons and Dragons and collected X-men comics, yet somehow still felt like Robert Plant on the inside. What I’m trying to say is that I owned the Led Zeppelin box set and it changed my life.
I have a long, involved history with Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Page mainly, that many people would describe as “mania.” I was 17 when Page and Plant reunited and I saw every concert during that period and had even camped out in a parking lot overnight for front (expletive) row tickets. I think it still is the happiest period of my life. It definitely trumps my first wedding.
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Maria Bamford cancels Cap City shows
Bad news: Maria Bamford has canceled her shows at Cap City this week due to illness, according to the club. Ticketholders will be issued refunds.
However the shows will go on, with showcase-style lineups tonight and Thursday night — featuring this year’s Funniest Person in Austin contest winner Andy Ritchie, Kerri Lendo, Eric Krug, Ramin Nazer, Bryan Gutmann and others.
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Ramin Nazer rockets to fame with Voltron-based humor
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If you’ve been paying attention to Austin comedy, it won’t come as a surprise that Ramin Nazer is poised to become our next breakout standup.
After appearing in a showcase of unsigned comics in the Montreal Just for Laughs festival earlier this year, Nazer is set to tape an appearance on “The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson.”
As I said, Nazer’s success isn’t out of the blue. For the last two years, he’s been among the top three finalists in the Funniest Person In Austin Contest. Onstage, his slightly meta humor is sharp and getting sharper.
Nazer is performing at my Velveeta Room showcase at 9:30 p.m. Friday, and the rest of the weekend at the club with local favorite Jonathan Pace. I chatted with Nazer via email about Montreal and his upcoming TV appearance.
What was the Montreal festival like? Any big news to tell us?
Montreal is a really awesome city on its own. The Just for Laughs festival would be amazing by itself, too, even in a vacuum. So the combination of both the Just for Laughs festival AND Montreal is this Voltron of awesome (If Voltron were only comprised of two parts: one part city, one part stand-up comedy festival. Please print all of the above verbatim. Thank you.)
The shows were a ton of fun and I got to meet and talk to a lot of my comedy heroes. They say you should never meet your heroes cause you’ll be disappointed, but I don’t think that applies to comics, since who they are on stage is often just an exaggeration of themselves. Also, most people don’t really have standup comedy heroes. I met Craig Ferguson in an elevator. I’m going to tape for his show next month, so that’s really big news for me.
That’s awesome, how did that come about?
Bart Coleman, the booker for “The Late Late Show,” has known me for a couple of years, and a few months before I went to Montreal he asked me to submit a tape. I put something together and sent it but I didn’t get a date scheduled or anything immediately. Normally there’s a lot a lot of people scheduled to do it already and you don’t know if all your material is approved for TV, so there’s never a guarantee you get anything. I know people who’ve done Conan or Letterman and some were on the queue for years before they got on.
In Montreal, right before Craig left the elevator I told him I was talking with Bart and that I hoped to one day be on his show and he turned to his manager/assistant/guy-standing-next-to-him and said “PUT HIM ON THE SHOW!” Not so much in an angry tone, but more of a triumphant one. Like Arthur Fortune: “Dollars for Everyone!” And the manager stayed behind and took down my info and I got an email from him a couple of days later.
I actually went up to Bart right afterwards and told him the story, thinking that Craig was just being nice, and Bart goes “Nope, he’s probably serious. He’s kinda like that.” Of all the producer/manager/agency/industry people I’ve met, Bart’s really been the most helpful in a ton of ways. Very lucky to know him.
I don’t know all the details of the booking process though, I don’t know if talking to Craig sped up getting the spot on the show, I just like to think that you can get “big breaks” from just meeting someone for a couple of minutes. Let that be a lesson to you, kids. Go up to people you’ve never met before and be your annoying, awful self.
You’re on a real roll right now, comedy-wise, was there a turning point - either internally or something that was your big “break?”
I’ve gotten to do a lot of cool comedy stuff but I don’t think I’ve had any “big” breaks yet. I think you need to be in a film of some sort before it’s really considered a “big break,” and i don’t really know that much about films. What’s the opposite of buff? I’m a film weak.
Ultimately, I just want to make really good/interesting things. Being a successful famous person would be really awesome too, I would love that, but who knows how all that works. The goal is to just make stuff you like and hopefully other people will like it too. We all loved show-and-tell growing up, didn’t we? That was the best part of the school day. As you get older you’re told more and more to not like the things you like so much and just focus on success and I think that’s a trap. Just do the things you like. Some day you’ll be dead, I promise.
Thoughts on where the Austin scene is right now? I’ve noticed a big turnover since the contest - lot of new faces, especially recently.
I love seeing new faces. I think Austin has become a very welcoming town for new stand-ups. The Velveeta Room used to be this clubhouse where, if you were a new guy, you got heckled and everyone was mean to you until you earned your wings or whatever, but that’s just silliness. You’re going to be “mean” to another fully-grown human because they don’t know how to do stand-up comedy yet? College kids aren’t mean to first graders. If you’re mean to a first grader, you’re probably a first grader yourself, or maybe a second grader at most. Comics who are successful and have been doing it for a really long time are often really nice to newbies.
BUT on the other hand, picking on people can be fun and it builds their balls. Good-spirited meanness is acceptable. So basically, I have no point of view whatsoever.
How did your new podcast with Maggie Maye get started?
I’ve wanted to do one for a long time and Maggie’s a good friend who’s super laid back who can be really funny off-the-cuff. Most importantly, we just get along. I think it started just after we were ranting about something or someone while eating gummis on Kat Ramzinski(NAME DROP)’s couch and we decided to start doing a weekly podcast with no plan until figure out a good rhythm with it, like with anything else. We’ve been on a short hiatus but should have new ones up starting next week. We go on tangents and have some aimless discussions sometimes so I would advise against listening to it as the primary activity. Podcasts are generally something you have on in the background while exercising or doing other work where you need a distraction.
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I forget to ask Michael Ian Black about ‘Porcupine Racetrack’
I’ve never felt like Michael Ian Black has had the career that his talent deserved.
He was, of course, part of “The State,” the ground-breaking sketch show on MTV in the mid-90s that was “Saturday Night Live” for smart people. But while “The State” certainly had a cult following, it never hit with a larger audience.
From there, Black bounced around from various TV shows and movies: “Viva Variety,” “Wet Hot American Summer,” “Stella,” and VH1s “I Love the…” series, to name a few.
Most recently, his show “Michael & Michael Have Issues” on Comedy Central with Michael Showalter was cancelled in 2009.
Which sucks. Because Black is one of those guys (I think of them as Chris Elliott types) who I’m always happy to see pop up (his humor definitely plays well online - he’s very popular on Twitter.
Lately, Black been trying standup — he’s got a new CD out and he’s coming to Austin this Friday for a show at the Mohawk. You can get tickets here.
We chatted about his body of work, an upcoming collaboration with Meghan McCain and a group of assassins who may or may not be out to kill him. (I edited the responses for length and clarity. Oh, I ask him about the upcoming 9/11 anniversary at one point, which clearly indicates that this interview was conducted a month ago. Busted.)
So what got you into (standup)?
It’s something that I always wanted to do and I was just kind of afraid to try it in any serious way. And then when “Michael & Michael Have Issues” got cancelled, I was sort’ve burnt out on making TV shows and having those blow up in my face. And so I decided to take some time and pursue standup in a more serious way than I had done it before. And so I’ve spent the last — I don’t know — year, year-and-a-half, doing that.
It seems like you’ve had a run of funny shows that haven’t hit. “Stella” was great, I liked “Michael & Michael Have Issues,” are there any hard feelings toward Comedy Central at this point?
Yeah. But you know, it’s like any relationship, it has its good and its bad. The good is that I’ve been given the opportunities, the bad is that they’ve pulled the rug out from under my feet before I feel like those opportunities have seen those full fruition.
Meaning, in terms of (Comedy Central) not promoting (the show)?
I think they promoted it in the context of the way Comedy Central promotes. And so you could argue whether or not that’s good. What I think is unfortunate about Comedy Central is that they just don’t seem to believe in any of their shows long enough, or to give them enough time to develop an audience. It’s a pretty crowded media landscape and it’s very hard to emerge from that without time. I know that they know that, and I know that that’s something they probably struggle with internally, but we were on the short end of those conversations - of that particular stick.
I wonder if it’s like the movie industry now, meaning if something doesn’t do a big first week, then they’ll pull it, whereas 20 years ago it seems like they would keep it in (theaters) for months and let the audience find it.
Yeah it’s probably similar. I mean, you just don’t have a lot of time on TV. That used to be true of networks, much more than cable. But it’s true with cable too. And so it just sucks.
Is the stuff that you do more expensive (to produce), too? Sketches, and things like that?
No. “Stella” was expensive for Comedy Central, but “Michael & Michael” wasn’t.
Ok. Because I was wondering if they were trending to (shows) like Tosh.0, which seems virtually free to produce, as opposed to something requires a lot more writing.
Yes, well there’s no question that they prefer free over expensive.
What do you like about standup? It’s obviously a different animal, you’re alone up there. Do you like that more?
I don’t know that I like it more. I like it; I like having the freedom to do what I want onstage. I like the freedom to interact with the audience and just take it wherever I want to take it. I don’t know that I like it more, but I like it.
You use Twitter a lot, I wonder how you feel about it, as a comedian? I’ve heard some people call it standup with a net, you can try out new things. What do you like about it?
I like that it forces me to write jokes. I like that it’s very concise and it’s obviously good for marketing and getting my name out there and having people become aware of who I am. And then, I also just am an attention whore.
Talking about all the stuff you’ve done, do you have a favorite at this point? When you look back (do you think) “This was the best thing I’ve done up to this point?”
No, I don’t really think of it that way. I think of it as just, this is what I’m working on now and I’m really interested in it. And then as soon as it’s done, I no longer want to see it or think about it ever again.
Is that code for, you’re tired of people asking you about “The State?”
No I’m happy to answer questions, its just me personally, on a day-to-day basis, I don’t think about things that I’ve done and compare them to each other.
You’re in New York right now, right?
Well I live in the New York area, but I’m in - where am I? - I’m in Atlanta.
I’m wondering with the 9/11 anniversary coming up, have there a lot of retrospectives and things like that? What’s it like in New York right now?
I haven’t noticed a big difference in New York. At my house I’ve got a ring of steel around my property - television cameras, I’ve stepped up the police presence. My private army is patrolling. And you won’t see them.
Right. Until it’s too late.
Yeah. If you know who they are, they’re not doing their job. It’s mostly Israeli Mossad.
And if, by chance, something happens to you, they’ll track down the people who did it and kill them, even if it takes 20 years.
Well there’s zero chance anything will happen to me with these guys.
Well that’s good, that means they’re well-trained.
Oh they’re the best money can buy. The problem is - and this is off the record - I don’t have the money to pay these guys. And those are the wrong guys to stiff. Don’t make them promises that you can’t keep.
So it sounds like you’ve just invited more trouble on yourself.
I don’t know. I mean I was so worried about 9/11 and the anniversary and everything, I was just doing whatever I could to protect myself. I wasn’t thinking far enough down the road. Like, what happens the day after, when you can’t pay these guys?
You’re sort’ve like Gabriel Byrne in “Miller’s Crossing,” you’ve racked up a bunch of gambling debt now.
Yeah, but worse. These guys are far, far more dangerous than the Irish mob ever was.
So now we’re getting back to why you’re doing standup.
Yeah, now I’m on the road. I didn’t say I was doing standup on the road, I’m fleeing.
I assume you have a family, so they’re just to slow (the now-enraged hitmen) down a little bit?
They can fend for themselves. I don’t think they’re gonna go after the wife and kids. I don’t know, but I hope not.
I only learned this from Wikipedia, but did you really write a book with Meghan McCain? Is that coming out?
It’s coming out in July of next year.
So what’s it about?
Politics. It’s a love letter to America, but kinda porno. It’s a kind’ve erotic love letter to America.
See, I wouldn’t think she would go for something like that.
Well, she probably wouldn’t describe it that way, either. I’m just trying to generate book sales. She’ll probably give a more honest appraisal of what it is.
I mean this in all respect to you, but does it make you a little resentful that you had to work hard and — I assume — sacrifice to become famous, whereas she was merely born into a wealthy family and just became famous by virtue of that?
Well, she works her ass off. I mean, I’m sure she was given opportunities that other people don’t have, but she works really hard. She’s a tough chick.
What do you mean by “work,” though?
She’s a writer. And she’s on TV all the time doing commentary and analysis and she wrote a book. She works.
I’m looking at your Twitter page, this is maybe the most fantastic Twitter background I’ve ever seen.
Thank you very much, I appreciate that.
How did you come up with this?
I said, “I need a new Twitter background, who wants to make it for me? It needs to have slave girls, ping pong, dragons, tacos and lasers.”
I always wanted to ask you, you say in (your profile on Twitter), that you’re from the “Land of Go For It!” What does that mean?
Just, you gotta go for it, man.
Do you mean that in an ironic way?
I don’t know … in a totally non sequitur way. It means nothing. It’s just, I guess, sort’ve the opposite. I guess it’s ironic. I’m just so not the go-for-it kinda guy.
Why do you say that?
Because generally, if someone says, “Do you wanna go for it?” I’ll say “No.”
But that’s funny because you’ve made it; you’re a famous personality. So you must have gone for it on some level.
I was dragged to it. I wanted to stay home and they were like, “You really have to go. People are counting on you to come. And we already booked the room.” So I was like, “All right.”
Is it like, you had a bunch of friends and they were like, “Hey we’re gonna go to Taco Bell for lunch, do you want to come?” And you were like, “I guess.”
Yeah. Kinda. That’s sort’ve what my career has been.
And fame is the Taco Bell and now you’re there.
I guess. But you know, Taco Bell’s a pretty (expletive) restaurant.
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